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		<title>By: ROMANI SERGYOS</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/09/20/insidious-institutionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other day i was driving in left slow  lane in the free way and i was looking at the fast lanes and i  wondered and i asked myself what is happening in the world why those people are running so fast , what are they  trying to catch !!!???suddenly i realized , also in the fast lane , somebody driving fast , talking in his mobile , at the same time shaving , eating a sandwich and reading the news paper ??!! i suddenly screamed oh my God what is that ???!!i started to process what i have seen slowly and i said to myself either i am getting old and i am not accepting what is happening around me  or life is evolving and  changing very fast could be there are more challenges there or might be the world is not the world anymore ????!!!anyhow i would like to share this experience with you ,  Somebody was talking to me the other day and told me what is all this fuss about  this SPIRITUALITY FEVER ???!!  he said , spirituality level  under institutionalization umbrella and in the old days  ,he said Spirituality level in the old days it is  as today and on the contrary we find today  the good news of the word of God is everywhere and more broader  and the real believers and followers of Jesus Christ increase everyday and through the whole world ... he added that the word of God is no more exclusively only on churches sermons and only by priests  , we find it  in the internet , TV , CD, DVD and through all these media and sort of technology ...heaps of people become  every minute followers of Christ !!! ..he added it is a sort of SPIRITUALITY  FEVER hitting the world with real strong and blessed outcome  ....I said as Jesus said , the whole world will go but not even one word of mine will not go ....Jesus said ,the  first will be last and last will be first ....i believe all the promises and times  of our lord have been fulfilled ....mate, truly  seek the kingdom of God first and all will be added to you, try to experience that .... ..Jesus wants your heart only no more than that , love God from all your heart and soul and love thy neighbor as thyself ..on the same token look after those least from your needed  time and money and not from your excess ones  ...it will be your  credit oil on judgment day ....do not be stale in your classical and routine prayers and you do not feel it as most say from time to time ...mate develop , experience , talk and even argue with JESUS  in your personal prayers and trust me you will feel him next to you in everything you do, you must experience this yourself in a practical way and he will dwell  in your pure  heart ... i believe life is changing , more fast and a lot of challenges in it  , a lot of worries there in life  , you need education , career , job , establish family . need to survive and do something for own self , but trust me all of us  went through these experience  but and but the bottom line  without that personal spiritual relationship between you and Jesus you will get nowhere ...praise the name of God by your life , amen ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day i was driving in left slow  lane in the free way and i was looking at the fast lanes and i  wondered and i asked myself what is happening in the world why those people are running so fast , what are they  trying to catch !!!???suddenly i realized , also in the fast lane , somebody driving fast , talking in his mobile , at the same time shaving , eating a sandwich and reading the news paper ??!! i suddenly screamed oh my God what is that ???!!i started to process what i have seen slowly and i said to myself either i am getting old and i am not accepting what is happening around me  or life is evolving and  changing very fast could be there are more challenges there or might be the world is not the world anymore ????!!!anyhow i would like to share this experience with you ,  Somebody was talking to me the other day and told me what is all this fuss about  this SPIRITUALITY FEVER ???!!  he said , spirituality level  under institutionalization umbrella and in the old days  ,he said Spirituality level in the old days it is  as today and on the contrary we find today  the good news of the word of God is everywhere and more broader  and the real believers and followers of Jesus Christ increase everyday and through the whole world &#8230; he added that the word of God is no more exclusively only on churches sermons and only by priests  , we find it  in the internet , TV , CD, DVD and through all these media and sort of technology &#8230;heaps of people become  every minute followers of Christ !!! ..he added it is a sort of SPIRITUALITY  FEVER hitting the world with real strong and blessed outcome  &#8230;.I said as Jesus said , the whole world will go but not even one word of mine will not go &#8230;.Jesus said ,the  first will be last and last will be first &#8230;.i believe all the promises and times  of our lord have been fulfilled &#8230;.mate, truly  seek the kingdom of God first and all will be added to you, try to experience that &#8230;. ..Jesus wants your heart only no more than that , love God from all your heart and soul and love thy neighbor as thyself ..on the same token look after those least from your needed  time and money and not from your excess ones  &#8230;it will be your  credit oil on judgment day &#8230;.do not be stale in your classical and routine prayers and you do not feel it as most say from time to time &#8230;mate develop , experience , talk and even argue with JESUS  in your personal prayers and trust me you will feel him next to you in everything you do, you must experience this yourself in a practical way and he will dwell  in your pure  heart &#8230; i believe life is changing , more fast and a lot of challenges in it  , a lot of worries there in life  , you need education , career , job , establish family . need to survive and do something for own self , but trust me all of us  went through these experience  but and but the bottom line  without that personal spiritual relationship between you and Jesus you will get nowhere &#8230;praise the name of God by your life , amen &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ROMANI SERGYOS</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/09/20/insidious-institutionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>ROMANI SERGYOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This morning after the mass and in the usual  regular announcements Father petros &quot;Peter  &quot;, mentioned the new nomination names of the church committee and he advised the youth to familiarize themselves with the names and ask if they do not know  , really i found this is a great step , good encouragement  and positive sign  for our future Church congregation which will be mainly from those youth as the old generation will never be replaced any more as there in no any more immigration to this part of the world ...anyhow i went outside the church and i found an argument about this as one said it will be good that the church committee to have some of those youth who they will reflect the real needs and concerns of the church community , the other said , in good faith , oh mate those youth they do not work and they do not have time to do work for the church !!?? i went home annoyed , as i felt that there is something going wrong and i said to myself this is no good for any future positive  vision  not only for survival of our church but also for any improvement and real new blood  committees reflecting the  actual needs and concerns of the church at least in our local church .... from here i believe and  i suggest and i encourage some youth to come forward in those committees and learn and  experience such roles as future leaders ...also i suggest that the church must reserve  50% of the committees places for the youth and to be elected among themselves  ....they have to learn and experience sometime and look after the church ....may our lord Jesus Christ guide us all in every thing we do ,amen .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning after the mass and in the usual  regular announcements Father petros &#8220;Peter  &#8220;, mentioned the new nomination names of the church committee and he advised the youth to familiarize themselves with the names and ask if they do not know  , really i found this is a great step , good encouragement  and positive sign  for our future Church congregation which will be mainly from those youth as the old generation will never be replaced any more as there in no any more immigration to this part of the world &#8230;anyhow i went outside the church and i found an argument about this as one said it will be good that the church committee to have some of those youth who they will reflect the real needs and concerns of the church community , the other said , in good faith , oh mate those youth they do not work and they do not have time to do work for the church !!?? i went home annoyed , as i felt that there is something going wrong and i said to myself this is no good for any future positive  vision  not only for survival of our church but also for any improvement and real new blood  committees reflecting the  actual needs and concerns of the church at least in our local church &#8230;. from here i believe and  i suggest and i encourage some youth to come forward in those committees and learn and  experience such roles as future leaders &#8230;also i suggest that the church must reserve  50% of the committees places for the youth and to be elected among themselves  &#8230;.they have to learn and experience sometime and look after the church &#8230;.may our lord Jesus Christ guide us all in every thing we do ,amen &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: ROMANI SERGYOS</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/09/20/insidious-institutionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>ROMANI SERGYOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>somebody the other day said to me ya the priests   in this part of the world and everywhere and  specially under institutionalization, truly they are   under tremendous  pressure because of those plenty of tasks in their job description, they are church spiritual  sacraments practitioners ,spiritual ad visors and guiders ,  confession tasks ,councilors , mediators ,school teachers ,visitations of the sick at homes and hospitals ,regular visitations of the congregations ,    administrators , advisors in general life aspects ,  etc .  and  he added all of us  must  feel pity for them and their families because they would not have time to see their families and the stressful aspects on their life  from work load, besides  it is a big pile of qualifications and essential  tasks ???!!! other said i wonder if some tasks  in their job criteria could be creating  conflict of interest with other tasks  done by them , such confessions might leak out with mediators tasks information  which need to be testified in courts sometimes , he wondered how things work in this scenario  ???!!  ??! oh mate i said i do not know either but seems to me the old days might  be better without INSTITUTIONALIZATION if not implemented correctly as it  used to be small spiritual  tasks   with clear direction of spirituality and aspects related to it , used to be good blessed simple  days for all of us to our parents and graaaandparents ...seems life is evolving too fast with great pace and a lot of changes occurring over the years  ....may the holy spirit  and its great power which Jesus  left the first church with it to guide us all in the right direction to praise the name of the Lord all the time till thy kingdom come ..just i refer to a nice book of pope Shenouda &#039; THE HOLY SPIRIT AND HIS WORK IN US &quot;, given to me by Father Antonios in one of those occasions when he distributed some books to the whole congregation after church  ,Iquote  ,when David the prophet  did something wrong ,said to the lord , &quot;DO NOT TAKE YOUR HOLY SPIRIT FROM ME &quot; means the  HOLY SPIRIT can be departed by the power of God as it is given  , so we pray to the Lord not to take his holy spirit from us in this part of the world and the other parts of the world so his name will be praised all the time all over the world  , amen ....forgive me father just reflecting some thoughts , all of us we learn something and we might  benefit  everyday till we die , pray for me father and forgive me ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>somebody the other day said to me ya the priests   in this part of the world and everywhere and  specially under institutionalization, truly they are   under tremendous  pressure because of those plenty of tasks in their job description, they are church spiritual  sacraments practitioners ,spiritual ad visors and guiders ,  confession tasks ,councilors , mediators ,school teachers ,visitations of the sick at homes and hospitals ,regular visitations of the congregations ,    administrators , advisors in general life aspects ,  etc .  and  he added all of us  must  feel pity for them and their families because they would not have time to see their families and the stressful aspects on their life  from work load, besides  it is a big pile of qualifications and essential  tasks ???!!! other said i wonder if some tasks  in their job criteria could be creating  conflict of interest with other tasks  done by them , such confessions might leak out with mediators tasks information  which need to be testified in courts sometimes , he wondered how things work in this scenario  ???!!  ??! oh mate i said i do not know either but seems to me the old days might  be better without INSTITUTIONALIZATION if not implemented correctly as it  used to be small spiritual  tasks   with clear direction of spirituality and aspects related to it , used to be good blessed simple  days for all of us to our parents and graaaandparents &#8230;seems life is evolving too fast with great pace and a lot of changes occurring over the years  &#8230;.may the holy spirit  and its great power which Jesus  left the first church with it to guide us all in the right direction to praise the name of the Lord all the time till thy kingdom come ..just i refer to a nice book of pope Shenouda &#8216; THE HOLY SPIRIT AND HIS WORK IN US &#8220;, given to me by Father Antonios in one of those occasions when he distributed some books to the whole congregation after church  ,Iquote  ,when David the prophet  did something wrong ,said to the lord , &#8220;DO NOT TAKE YOUR HOLY SPIRIT FROM ME &#8221; means the  HOLY SPIRIT can be departed by the power of God as it is given  , so we pray to the Lord not to take his holy spirit from us in this part of the world and the other parts of the world so his name will be praised all the time all over the world  , amen &#8230;.forgive me father just reflecting some thoughts , all of us we learn something and we might  benefit  everyday till we die , pray for me father and forgive me &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ROMANI SERGYOS</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/09/20/insidious-institutionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>ROMANI SERGYOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good day.... Father Antonios , your Holiness  actually put the facts forward and in depth .....i believe all of us agree when any organization gets bigger the norm is the development of a lot of structures within it to look after its affairs  for better service and survival , however to focus in   its mission and not to deviate as deviation  of any institutionalized organization will  mean the beginning of the end if not the end itself ....also the beauty of it that the whole pyramid from the top  to the bottom must be responsible and accountable to one another at the end of the day, accountability at all levels  is of great importance  ....also all agree that systems and procedures of those structures must be revisited from time to time to adjust and tune up to make those structures viable , valid and efficient and that is natural and healthy  ... everything had been evolved even the Job of the priest , if we look at his  job description ,as church sacraments practitioner , mediator ,councilor, confession tasks ,  school teachers etc , might need more than 24 hrs a day , what is that ??sometimes some  wonder and say you can ring the prime minister and talk to him and harder to ring a priest and find him !!??   anyhow sometimes we go further in  restructuring , reforming  and look at job descriptions to make the whole organization more efficient and cost effective to be competitive to survive by not deviating from its mission &quot;&quot;Spirituality &quot;... anyhow we come to our topic i believe institutionalization  within the church is a must and not choice in order to survive ...at the time of Jesus we used to feel the concept of leadership , followers , treasury , time management , performance , rules , regulations ,decision making , conflict resolution ,management ,control of  different sort of behaviors some assertive , other passive and others aggressive ,all these aspects used to be in that small organization of Jesus  as the leader and his  desciples the followers ...jesus used to teach  them and others ,adjust ,. tune up ,  check  their  performance ,manage in a great organized way ...they used to know their rights and the rights of the others , they used to be accountable at the end of the day to one another and to the others and to God ....above all they used to be guided by prayers of Jesus to manage all those affairs and to spread the word of God , the good news ....... even when Jesus left them he left them in a well organized way of life and supported them by the guidenes of the holy spirit  so the guidelines of  INSITUTIONALISATION  is not something new , taught before two thousands years by our lord Jesus ......now a day  i believe the implementation of it within our Coptic church in this part of the world had been deviated and that the dangerous part as it lacks  i believe two of its important and essential components  as an example the real rights of those structures which we call some of it committees etc to do their work and to have their say ,   things  usually dictated  to them and not reflecting the real concerns of the church community  , and the second fact nobody takes responsibility and  accountability  at the top of the pyramid , forgive me father in highlighting some facts so the consequence of that  i believe the Coptic community reacting  by just do their prayers on Sundays and acted in a passive way in  the other affairs and some prefer to withdraw entirely , figures in the churches started to decline  ....i believe the new generation will act soon differently because they know exactly their rights within the Church and  the support within the big Australian community and the  support  of the Government ....just we have to pray to our lord Jesus Christ to guide the whole Australian Coptic  community to look after their own affairs with the guiddnes of the holy spirit , amen .... forgive me father and bless me, that was my analysis and my views , i hope time will prove me wrong  ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good day&#8230;. Father Antonios , your Holiness  actually put the facts forward and in depth &#8230;..i believe all of us agree when any organization gets bigger the norm is the development of a lot of structures within it to look after its affairs  for better service and survival , however to focus in   its mission and not to deviate as deviation  of any institutionalized organization will  mean the beginning of the end if not the end itself &#8230;.also the beauty of it that the whole pyramid from the top  to the bottom must be responsible and accountable to one another at the end of the day, accountability at all levels  is of great importance  &#8230;.also all agree that systems and procedures of those structures must be revisited from time to time to adjust and tune up to make those structures viable , valid and efficient and that is natural and healthy  &#8230; everything had been evolved even the Job of the priest , if we look at his  job description ,as church sacraments practitioner , mediator ,councilor, confession tasks ,  school teachers etc , might need more than 24 hrs a day , what is that ??sometimes some  wonder and say you can ring the prime minister and talk to him and harder to ring a priest and find him !!??   anyhow sometimes we go further in  restructuring , reforming  and look at job descriptions to make the whole organization more efficient and cost effective to be competitive to survive by not deviating from its mission &#8220;&#8221;Spirituality &#8220;&#8230; anyhow we come to our topic i believe institutionalization  within the church is a must and not choice in order to survive &#8230;at the time of Jesus we used to feel the concept of leadership , followers , treasury , time management , performance , rules , regulations ,decision making , conflict resolution ,management ,control of  different sort of behaviors some assertive , other passive and others aggressive ,all these aspects used to be in that small organization of Jesus  as the leader and his  desciples the followers &#8230;jesus used to teach  them and others ,adjust ,. tune up ,  check  their  performance ,manage in a great organized way &#8230;they used to know their rights and the rights of the others , they used to be accountable at the end of the day to one another and to the others and to God &#8230;.above all they used to be guided by prayers of Jesus to manage all those affairs and to spread the word of God , the good news &#8230;&#8230;. even when Jesus left them he left them in a well organized way of life and supported them by the guidenes of the holy spirit  so the guidelines of  INSITUTIONALISATION  is not something new , taught before two thousands years by our lord Jesus &#8230;&#8230;now a day  i believe the implementation of it within our Coptic church in this part of the world had been deviated and that the dangerous part as it lacks  i believe two of its important and essential components  as an example the real rights of those structures which we call some of it committees etc to do their work and to have their say ,   things  usually dictated  to them and not reflecting the real concerns of the church community  , and the second fact nobody takes responsibility and  accountability  at the top of the pyramid , forgive me father in highlighting some facts so the consequence of that  i believe the Coptic community reacting  by just do their prayers on Sundays and acted in a passive way in  the other affairs and some prefer to withdraw entirely , figures in the churches started to decline  &#8230;.i believe the new generation will act soon differently because they know exactly their rights within the Church and  the support within the big Australian community and the  support  of the Government &#8230;.just we have to pray to our lord Jesus Christ to guide the whole Australian Coptic  community to look after their own affairs with the guiddnes of the holy spirit , amen &#8230;. forgive me father and bless me, that was my analysis and my views , i hope time will prove me wrong  &#8230;.</p>
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