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		<title>By: ROMANI SERGYOS</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/02/25/when-cultures-collide/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>ROMANI SERGYOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our identity is Australian Coptic Community, no need of mentioning nationalities because we are part of this land and part of this community and we look after one another and we pay our taxe4s here etc .and the other factor we do not want more divisions in our churches .... ...we live in this land ..when we pray our liturgy we mention this land , the crops , the waters and we ask for the support of our rulers here and not in Egypt or Sudan or anywhere else ...please strengthen our identity and support the land and the community in which we are living , sharing and supporting one another ....please look after your own backyard first by collecting donations for the needy , orphans and all good causes and then support any overseas good cause .... i was astonished not even one word of support of our nation and country yesterday to support and share the sorrow of the bushfire and the disaster around and those who were dead...on the contrary we heard at the end of the mass  from an announcement by the priest that there is an appeal by selling ice cream for collecting money for the orphanage in Egypt ...i thought for the fire disaster appeal of our nation ...please we have to wake up before it is too late !!!??????please look after our own backyard ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our identity is Australian Coptic Community, no need of mentioning nationalities because we are part of this land and part of this community and we look after one another and we pay our taxe4s here etc .and the other factor we do not want more divisions in our churches &#8230;. &#8230;we live in this land ..when we pray our liturgy we mention this land , the crops , the waters and we ask for the support of our rulers here and not in Egypt or Sudan or anywhere else &#8230;please strengthen our identity and support the land and the community in which we are living , sharing and supporting one another &#8230;.please look after your own backyard first by collecting donations for the needy , orphans and all good causes and then support any overseas good cause &#8230;. i was astonished not even one word of support of our nation and country yesterday to support and share the sorrow of the bushfire and the disaster around and those who were dead&#8230;on the contrary we heard at the end of the mass  from an announcement by the priest that there is an appeal by selling ice cream for collecting money for the orphanage in Egypt &#8230;i thought for the fire disaster appeal of our nation &#8230;please we have to wake up before it is too late !!!??????please look after our own backyard &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ROMANI SERGYOS</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/02/25/when-cultures-collide/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>ROMANI SERGYOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other day we were talking about our christian orthodox marriage and it was a debate, is  our church  marriage a contract or a covenant ???to tell the truth we got nowhere !!!!!   i wonder if anybody knows so we can  share and learn a bit more  ??? i wonder if abouna Antonios can elaborate on this vital issue specially for the youth ....somebody came up with the word company and complicated for us the whole issue ????!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day we were talking about our christian orthodox marriage and it was a debate, is  our church  marriage a contract or a covenant ???to tell the truth we got nowhere !!!!!   i wonder if anybody knows so we can  share and learn a bit more  ??? i wonder if abouna Antonios can elaborate on this vital issue specially for the youth &#8230;.somebody came up with the word company and complicated for us the whole issue ????!!!</p>
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		<title>By: John Rekouniotis</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/02/25/when-cultures-collide/comment-page-1/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rekouniotis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Fr Antonios,

You are not going to believe it, but I was doing a search on one of my relatives Mark Koussas and you came up as a reference!

Anyway, I read your opening comments and I found  them quite thought provoking, but must be brought to attention of all. I wish you well with the feedback you attain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Fr Antonios,</p>
<p>You are not going to believe it, but I was doing a search on one of my relatives Mark Koussas and you came up as a reference!</p>
<p>Anyway, I read your opening comments and I found  them quite thought provoking, but must be brought to attention of all. I wish you well with the feedback you attain.</p>
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		<title>By: ROMANI SERGYOS</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/02/25/when-cultures-collide/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>ROMANI SERGYOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems for some  it is very hard to adapt in new environmental culture  and do the right thing by others   ....last  Sunday during the mass in our local church St Mary at Mt Druit and as usual as  everybody trying to do  own best to  be attentive  and not to be destructed by any means  from own self by thinking about own   problems  during the mass or being destructed  from anything around in that holy environment  of the church , unfortunately some i believe servants pushing children to kneel down according to our ritual part of the mass, and one of the deacons always  carry own child move up and down during the  mass and in his way thought he is rectifying those problems with the young deacons which i believe things on the contrary are  getting  worst besides the harm he is doing to the rest of the congregation from this continual  destruction  of going up  and down  passing through  congregation  and not only that but specifically that Sunday  even the old deacons got a bit of those instructions as the servant  went to the old  Deacons all of them on the top telling them to kneel down !!!!!????? most of them reacted and refused, i believe it  was too early in that part of the mass to kneel down ??? i wonder why was  that all  ???? i believe that bunch old deacons are great one , cooperative among one another and know exactly what are they doing ??? i believe even if there is a constructive suggestion  to be done for improvement and the person really  in charge why don, t you do it in those regular  meetings with the deacons ??? also  if the person concerned about those knee lings  down of the children why  the problem not to be addressed on Sunday schools for improvement and please no need to distract the rest of the  church congregation  and others ??? i am sorry pal and forgive me &gt;&gt;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems for some  it is very hard to adapt in new environmental culture  and do the right thing by others   &#8230;.last  Sunday during the mass in our local church St Mary at Mt Druit and as usual as  everybody trying to do  own best to  be attentive  and not to be destructed by any means  from own self by thinking about own   problems  during the mass or being destructed  from anything around in that holy environment  of the church , unfortunately some i believe servants pushing children to kneel down according to our ritual part of the mass, and one of the deacons always  carry own child move up and down during the  mass and in his way thought he is rectifying those problems with the young deacons which i believe things on the contrary are  getting  worst besides the harm he is doing to the rest of the congregation from this continual  destruction  of going up  and down  passing through  congregation  and not only that but specifically that Sunday  even the old deacons got a bit of those instructions as the servant  went to the old  Deacons all of them on the top telling them to kneel down !!!!!????? most of them reacted and refused, i believe it  was too early in that part of the mass to kneel down ??? i wonder why was  that all  ???? i believe that bunch old deacons are great one , cooperative among one another and know exactly what are they doing ??? i believe even if there is a constructive suggestion  to be done for improvement and the person really  in charge why don, t you do it in those regular  meetings with the deacons ??? also  if the person concerned about those knee lings  down of the children why  the problem not to be addressed on Sunday schools for improvement and please no need to distract the rest of the  church congregation  and others ??? i am sorry pal and forgive me &#38;gt;&#38;gt;&#38;gt;</p>
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		<title>By: ROMANI SERGYOS</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/02/25/when-cultures-collide/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>ROMANI SERGYOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i attended the mass yesterday 17th august 2008 in our local church &quot;St Mary and St Stevens &quot; i was there  with my wife and child at 7.45 and i found a couple of young children and an adult running around i believe they were preparing the altar ...i had my child who got his Tonia and went to the altar but came back and put it in his bag  and returned to give a hand with the others ...at 8.00 one of the priests turned up  up aaaaaaaaaaaaaand the church started ...so far not too bad , but from that time till 9.30 those deacons had been turning  up  in a group of two and others in individual basis and all of the them got permission to dress as deacons except  the last two , i believe  one at 9.20 and the other at 9.30 who i believe they had been turned away ..the question now that we  as parents , we are on trouble now as our young child just a few weeks ago heard the announcement from father Antonios if they want to dress it is between 7.45 and 8.15 and no later than that and we got him up with difficulty this morning to prepare himself to church , he is entirely confused and this will make it difficult for us to get him early to the church ????we are confused too and we wonder is it  one of the cultural problems of  punctuality???!!! might be sort of flexibility ??!! could be i reckon there is an attitude problems at all levels because there are alot of problems around of such kind  ??!!might be  something else it  needs clarification  from the church ???? may God maintain and improve in this part of the world  our spiritual life within our way of life in one positive blessed  standard  in every thing we do and without any confusion to those least , amen ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i attended the mass yesterday 17th august 2008 in our local church &#8220;St Mary and St Stevens &#8221; i was there  with my wife and child at 7.45 and i found a couple of young children and an adult running around i believe they were preparing the altar &#8230;i had my child who got his Tonia and went to the altar but came back and put it in his bag  and returned to give a hand with the others &#8230;at 8.00 one of the priests turned up  up aaaaaaaaaaaaaand the church started &#8230;so far not too bad , but from that time till 9.30 those deacons had been turning  up  in a group of two and others in individual basis and all of the them got permission to dress as deacons except  the last two , i believe  one at 9.20 and the other at 9.30 who i believe they had been turned away ..the question now that we  as parents , we are on trouble now as our young child just a few weeks ago heard the announcement from father Antonios if they want to dress it is between 7.45 and 8.15 and no later than that and we got him up with difficulty this morning to prepare himself to church , he is entirely confused and this will make it difficult for us to get him early to the church ????we are confused too and we wonder is it  one of the cultural problems of  punctuality???!!! might be sort of flexibility ??!! could be i reckon there is an attitude problems at all levels because there are alot of problems around of such kind  ??!!might be  something else it  needs clarification  from the church ???? may God maintain and improve in this part of the world  our spiritual life within our way of life in one positive blessed  standard  in every thing we do and without any confusion to those least , amen &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Romani Sergyos</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/02/25/when-cultures-collide/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Romani Sergyos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Fr Antonios , God bless you ,you hit the nail on the head ..we can not deny there is cultural differences , the question now how we handle it and get around it ????we can not have two standards  the church at all levels including  the old  congregations have  a way of life inside the church and  different one outside of it ....trust , democracy ,dignity , respect , transparency and openness would be lost  !!!so i believe it is all in the hands of the church at all  levels&quot; which i see it difficult to be fixed  at this stage  because the bishop and most of the priests were born and grew oversease  &quot; so it is difficult  to close the gap between the two ways of life and get us and our childern  and our whole church safely in the next decades ...it is a  complete way of life rather doing right or wrong ....may God strengthen our faith , hope and love till thy kingdom come , amen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Fr Antonios , God bless you ,you hit the nail on the head ..we can not deny there is cultural differences , the question now how we handle it and get around it ????we can not have two standards  the church at all levels including  the old  congregations have  a way of life inside the church and  different one outside of it &#8230;.trust , democracy ,dignity , respect , transparency and openness would be lost  !!!so i believe it is all in the hands of the church at all  levels&#8221; which i see it difficult to be fixed  at this stage  because the bishop and most of the priests were born and grew oversease  &#8221; so it is difficult  to close the gap between the two ways of life and get us and our childern  and our whole church safely in the next decades &#8230;it is a  complete way of life rather doing right or wrong &#8230;.may God strengthen our faith , hope and love till thy kingdom come , amen</p>
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		<title>By: Monika</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/02/25/when-cultures-collide/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Monika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not up to me judge people, it&#039;s up to me to decide what&#039;s right and wrong.
Stealing is wrong.
A poor person stealing is still stealing, so it&#039;s still wrong.
I can excuse a poor person for stealing bread, but I cannot say it was the right thing to do.

Now in saying that, in no way, shape or form am I saying that God would judge a poor person stealing bread like he&#039;d judge a rich theif, hungry for more. All I&#039;m saying is if we don&#039;t apply the same principle to all people, our sight will not be clear. It just seems like a dangerous thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not up to me judge people, it&#8217;s up to me to decide what&#8217;s right and wrong.<br />
Stealing is wrong.<br />
A poor person stealing is still stealing, so it&#8217;s still wrong.<br />
I can excuse a poor person for stealing bread, but I cannot say it was the right thing to do.</p>
<p>Now in saying that, in no way, shape or form am I saying that God would judge a poor person stealing bread like he&#8217;d judge a rich theif, hungry for more. All I&#8217;m saying is if we don&#8217;t apply the same principle to all people, our sight will not be clear. It just seems like a dangerous thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Shenouda</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/02/25/when-cultures-collide/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Shenouda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s so easy to judge people in Egypt...

If the child in your arms that YOU nurtured and God gave you to look after is hungry, and you had no money what would you do...? Its not just poverty in terms of materialism Monika its poverty of the spirit, if all you can think about is getting your next piece of bread for your son or daughter, would you think twice about stealing? If there was NO OTHER way?

We will be judged much more harshly then they lets look at ourselves before judging .

I think if we were applying it for ourselves black and white yes, to apply black and white on others i don&#039;t agree.

What are your thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so easy to judge people in Egypt&#8230;</p>
<p>If the child in your arms that YOU nurtured and God gave you to look after is hungry, and you had no money what would you do&#8230;? Its not just poverty in terms of materialism Monika its poverty of the spirit, if all you can think about is getting your next piece of bread for your son or daughter, would you think twice about stealing? If there was NO OTHER way?</p>
<p>We will be judged much more harshly then they lets look at ourselves before judging .</p>
<p>I think if we were applying it for ourselves black and white yes, to apply black and white on others i don&#8217;t agree.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Monika</title>
		<link>http://www.frantonios.org.au/2008/02/25/when-cultures-collide/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Monika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we deviate from our black and white, won&#039;t everything just be a blur?

I lived in an ideal world, where an ideal Christian knew the difference between right and wrong. In Egypt, what I found was that few drew a line. A whole lot of people lived within this blurry area... Where alot of wrong wasn&#039;t really wrong... wrong was ok. I&#039;m not talking about fathers with starving children; I&#039;m talking about lying, cheating, stealing, and horrible horrible treatment of people in lower social classes by people who live a comfortable lifestyle. They do this because everyone else does it, and if they didn&#039;t, they probably wouldn&#039;t live a comfortable lifestyle. I can understand that they must do that to keep their head above water... But in an ideal world, an ideal Christian should do everything to fight evil, even if it leads them to poverty. Are we supposed to care about materialism? A father with starving children should have the faith that God will provide.. What&#039;s the worst that poverty can do? Open up the gates of Paradise sooner?

Of course I speak as an outsider, of an ideal world that we may never see. It is however possible, the Book of Life tells us so. We can do all things through Christ - all that&#039;s needed are prayers and faith. Why do we need grey when we have that?

Everything may not be Black and White in the sight of a merciful, righteous, fair and complete God. But to man, I believe that black and white are essential to living with Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we deviate from our black and white, won&#8217;t everything just be a blur?</p>
<p>I lived in an ideal world, where an ideal Christian knew the difference between right and wrong. In Egypt, what I found was that few drew a line. A whole lot of people lived within this blurry area&#8230; Where alot of wrong wasn&#8217;t really wrong&#8230; wrong was ok. I&#8217;m not talking about fathers with starving children; I&#8217;m talking about lying, cheating, stealing, and horrible horrible treatment of people in lower social classes by people who live a comfortable lifestyle. They do this because everyone else does it, and if they didn&#8217;t, they probably wouldn&#8217;t live a comfortable lifestyle. I can understand that they must do that to keep their head above water&#8230; But in an ideal world, an ideal Christian should do everything to fight evil, even if it leads them to poverty. Are we supposed to care about materialism? A father with starving children should have the faith that God will provide.. What&#8217;s the worst that poverty can do? Open up the gates of Paradise sooner?</p>
<p>Of course I speak as an outsider, of an ideal world that we may never see. It is however possible, the Book of Life tells us so. We can do all things through Christ &#8211; all that&#8217;s needed are prayers and faith. Why do we need grey when we have that?</p>
<p>Everything may not be Black and White in the sight of a merciful, righteous, fair and complete God. But to man, I believe that black and white are essential to living with Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Antonios Kaldas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Antonios Kaldas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou all for your thoughts on this topic. I am really interested in knowing how people view it. Of course we have a responsibility to strive for the highest of Christian ideals in our personal lives and in the life of our community. I agree that right and wrong are not &#039;relative&#039; concepts.

But having done a little research into the area of Ethics i must say I am much more forgiving and much slower to condemn than once I was. There always so many circumstances to take into account, so that very, very few issues are black and white in life. For example, would you condemn the poor theif who steals a loaf of bread to save the lives of his starving children?

Having been exposed to the blessing of the high ethical standard expected in western democracies, we have an advantage that many in this world do not. When we see a standard being accepted in Church that is ethically inferior to that accepted at the local RSL Club we clearly have a very, very big problem. We should never accept this. But neither, I think, should be condemn those in other countries whose ethical standards at Church are far superior to those of the society around them. And when they, over there, manage to maintain the same standards that we hold to over here, that is nothing short of heroic!

What do you think?

Fr Ant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou all for your thoughts on this topic. I am really interested in knowing how people view it. Of course we have a responsibility to strive for the highest of Christian ideals in our personal lives and in the life of our community. I agree that right and wrong are not &#8216;relative&#8217; concepts.</p>
<p>But having done a little research into the area of Ethics i must say I am much more forgiving and much slower to condemn than once I was. There always so many circumstances to take into account, so that very, very few issues are black and white in life. For example, would you condemn the poor theif who steals a loaf of bread to save the lives of his starving children?</p>
<p>Having been exposed to the blessing of the high ethical standard expected in western democracies, we have an advantage that many in this world do not. When we see a standard being accepted in Church that is ethically inferior to that accepted at the local RSL Club we clearly have a very, very big problem. We should never accept this. But neither, I think, should be condemn those in other countries whose ethical standards at Church are far superior to those of the society around them. And when they, over there, manage to maintain the same standards that we hold to over here, that is nothing short of heroic!</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>Fr Ant</p>
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